LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

The Tea Party is our Taliban

By Angelou del Angel | Published Saturday, February 16, 2013

To be clear, there are lots of reasonable folks among Republican ranks. There are those who can live their faith without beating people over the head with it. There are those who agree that while some social programs work, many need a trimming. These folks are perfectly patriotic, yet understand the problem of waging war on a credit card. They understand that the role of conservative ideas is to check the excesses of liberal side, and vice versa, because things work best in a relative balance.

This piece is not about them.

This piece is about the Tea Party rhetoric I see on display in the comments of the Messenger website, and it is troubling indeed. So it’s time to call it like it is, but to do so, let’s compare the Tea Party with the Taliban, so nobody thinks I’m just making this up for no reason.

PURE IDEOLOGY: Tea Partiers think that liberals or any people who disagree with their views hold evil, anti-American motives. The Taliban think that anyone who disagrees with them has anti-Afghan aims. I saw this comment just last week in the paper. “Relativism is a symptom of the illness known as liberalism.” That’s some dangerously absolutist thinking right there.

SCRIPTURAL LITERALISM: As the Taliban believe with the Quran, the Tea Party devoutly believes every word in the Bible to be taken at face value, and not subject to interpretation.

DENIAL OF SCIENCE AND FACTS: If it doesn’t conform to their current worldview, any information is denounced as “lies from the pit of hell.” Translate that to Arabic. and I’m pretty sure the Taliban would concur. Also, remember the comments after the 2012 debates about fact checkers?

DEMONIZING EDUCATION: Just look at the way people reacted to me talking about classes and professors at Weatherford, the way they think of universities as fostering a “liberal elite.” Then think back to how the Taliban managed to put that idea into law in Afghanistan.

LEGISLATING CONTROL OF WOMEN: Stemming from the above, the fundamentalist Taliban barred women from an education, relegating them to an underclass of citizen. Our Tea Party seeks to impose law on their bodies. Clearly they’re at different steps, but the underlying idea is similar.

XENOPHOBIA: Blame the immigrants and foreigners, they say. Anyone who doesn’t look or talk like us must be met with suspicion at least, hostility at most. So says the Taliban, as well.

HATRED OF COMPROMISE: Our way or the highway… if they can’t get their way, then the Tea Party will logjam the system so nobody can get theirs. We need look no further than Congress to see evidence of this, whereas the Taliban’s preferred method of imposing such is violence. It’s the same idea, with a different tactic to implement.

So, there’s the comparison for all to see, one of similar ideas from different absolutist theocrats with different holy books, in different countries, in different stages of development. Now that we’ve seen this kind of thinking for what it is, it has become an electoral liability, leading to Karl Rove’s intent to purge it from the GOP.

With apologies to lay, sane people of every faith, it’s no wonder people become atheists.

Angelou del Angel
Dallas (formerly Bridgeport)

23 Responses to “The Tea Party is our Taliban”

  1. Andrew Wynn says:

    Pure propaganda and lies.

    This is right out of the Alinsky playbook and nothing more than an attempt to demonize those who want this country to run as its Constitution demands.

    You defend the murder of unborn children with a deflection. You defend the attack on Christianity with a criticism of those who hold to their faith while pretending to defend the Fisrt Amendment. You defend the destruction of Constitutional principles by the radical left by attempting to plant the notion that the Tea Party is some new johnny-come-lately movement bent on undermining a socialist nation founded in 1964. You defend the breaking of our immigration laws and the current (and some past) administration’s refusal to enforce said laws by making the claim that to enforce them would be somehow wrong and they are unjust in the first place.

    You hatefully equate everyday Americans with terrorists as a means to marginalize them. We all know who the Taliban is here in America, and it is the marxist left who wishes to destroy the Constitutional republic and establish a dictatorship.

    If you think we can’t see through this, I suggest you think more carefully.

  2. The Poster Child of the Right, speaks and prove the other point exactly!

  3. Rusty White says:

    Angelou,

    You must not have drank your “Kool-Aid”, how dare you think you have the right to a differing opinion, WELL DONE!!!

    Is there any wonder why “millions” are turning their backs on organized religion? Those that falsely use their “supposed” faith to harm others or manipulate their self serving beliefs and agendas over all others, will pay one hel* of a price on judgment day! IMHO

  4. “With apologies to lay, sane people of every faith, it’s no wonder people become atheists.”

    Only a fool thinks there is no God. It’s like you signed the end as a fool. but your foolishness was apparent from the start of your rantings, Comrade Angelou!

  5. Charles, Andrew,

    Nobody’s looking for a Marxist dictatorship, but it’s easy to see the fringe right as dreaming of a christian theocracy. Replace the quran with the bible, and your ideals neatly mirror those in Iran.

  6. Oh, and Randolph…

    That was pretty much the point of the letter, to call it out and watch them prove my point in the comments.

  7. Jim Popp says:

    The problem with your initial letter Angelou is that it was written by someone who is the ultra left’s equivilant of the Tea Party. As such, it is extremely slanted and biased in its basic thought process.

    If it had been a fair comparison, you would have also admitted that on the left there are equally as many, if not more right now, who are bound and determined to destroy the way of life this country has enjoyed and prospered in for many generations now, thus allowing the ultra left to persue their various socialistic style agendas.

    There is no question but that you are not anywhere near being a moderate in your thinking, be you a Republican or a Democrat. You are obviosly a part of what is considered the ultra left in your thinking. All one has to do is read the letters you write in here to see that very plainly. It is the people like you, on both sides, that have brought this country to the point we are now and it is definitely not a good point.

    Neither side, right or left, is completely right and neither side is completely wrong. Our present POTUS however has managed to seperate and divide this country in a manor that I have never seen before in my 67 years, including during the Vietnam era, for his total and complete own benefit politically.

    That is the very dangerous disgrace and position facing us all in this nation and not, as you seem to want to imply so forcefully, the reaction of citizens, right or left, against his attempt to radically change the basic premise of how this country functions and operates from this point on and his obvious Socialistic agenda for its people.

    I have a surprise for you, your professor and Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama is NOT a dictator, although he acts like he would like to be and in some things it appears that he is trying to proceed as such. No other POTUS in our history has ever been so divisive, and as a result, it is no wonder that the people in The Tea Party are reacting like they are. Many a moderate Democrat is concerned too.

    Comparing, as you did, The Tea Party to the Taliban was interesting, but untrue. Now compare the ultra left Socialists to the Taliban and see what you come up with. I’ll guarantee you that they are a lot less tolerant of others’ ideas than any Tea Party member I’ve ever met!

  8. Examples, Popp.

    I stated direct comparisons in the thinking of right wingers here and in the Middle East to contrast them side-by-side. If you’re gonna fire the argument right back, go on ahead…

    …but I suggest you do show in a manner that displays a continuity of thinking, showing how you arrived at those conclusions, rather than just regurgitating prepackaged opinions and hitting “submit comment.”

    OK, Obama divided this country how? And what are you citing to say that there are more far-left wingers in this country than far left? What have I said to display that my thinking is ultra-left? I’d consider myself left-center, to be sure, but I’m definitely game to logically test that self-assessment by means of outside opinion…

    …if you can pull your head out of the Fox/Drudge/WND/Limbaugh bubble long enough to honestly do so.

  9. Rusty White says:

    While we watch each side tell their “truths”, I am of the opinion “both” side have enough wrongs to go around. “Both” sides DEPEND on the division they are both “guilty” of creating, so each party can take “”turn”” feeding upon us all! The biggest fear that both parties have is the ever growing majority that doesn’t believe in “either” party. Those of us in the middle that care more about our country as a whole than anyone’s own beliefs, faith or self serving agendas, AS IT SHOULD BE!

    As long as “both sides” can keep us fighting amongst ourselves neither side has to answer to anyone! Just imagine what it would be like if “everyone” put our countries well being BEFORE their own and their parties beliefs and self serving agendas! We might just become the “United States of America” once again, instead of tearing our country apart. It is way past time that we all put our own agendas to the side and DEMAND our elected representatives quit this school yard BS, and just do their dam* jobs! It does not matter which party you are in, if you can’t represent “ALL” Americans before your party, beliefs, minions, or self serving agendas you don’t belong in office, PERIOD! That goes for “every” level of government from city, county, state or federal after all without US(A) there will be no AMERICA, united we stand divided we fall!!! IMHO

  10. They can’t the bubble has no exits thus no fresh air. Besides conservatives fear change and inside the bubble it is safe. There they are safe to place blame on everyone else and say it’s not them and they are right because they have a book setting besides them that tells them, in their own minds, that they are doing the right thing without question. Questions and facts they don’t want to raise because they have no factual answers to them anyway. Straw man arguments are what they are best at. The cracks in the rocks are growing bigger… They have already declared war on their own party. Interesting to see the results!

  11. Jim Popp says:

    Rusty,

    For once I can honestly say that I agree with your entire statement, referencing your last post.

    Charles,

    I put you in the same political catagory as Angelou, so with both of you, it’s like the pot calling the kettle black! Also, please notice that I said “political catagory” and not “personal catagory”. This has nothing to do with us personally, from my point of view.

  12. Diane Hughes says:

    Sometimes it’s best to be silent, because after all opinion is only opinion and not necessarily fact or truth. Truth means the quality of being in accordance with experience, facts, or reality; conformity with fact. In our society today Truth has become very clouded with so many opinions that have very little reality; in this case, silence is golden indeed.

  13. Rusty White says:

    Charles,

    Sadly you raise a valid point that fit’s “both” parties, each having their own cheerleaders through TV, Radio and Print. Both claiming they didn’t do it or it wasn’t our fault, who gives a dam* just shut up and do your damn* jobs! I believe the American people are “done” with both parties political circus and self serving BSSSSSSSSS!

    Jim,

    Thanks, if we agreed all the time life would be boring not to mention unrealistic. But a least we can agree to disagree with out all the other BS that goes on, right. I just wished others could put our country as a whole before their party, beliefs and themselves!

    Diane,

    For way to long the ever growing “majority” have remained silent while letting a “minority” speak and manipulate our laws and representatives at all levels! Facts are the Republicans are in deep cra* because of the “years” of double standards and exclusions they openly practiced, now due to LOSING not out of accepting their wrongs, they claim to have changed, is this not a fact and truth? Being forced to do the right thing “does not” speak well of anybody or party much less work well as a tool to gain numbers in the future, does it?

  14. Jim Popp says:

    Diane,

    The old saying, “Silence is Golden” certainly does not apply in situations like this, in my opinion. But then again, as you have stated, we all have an opinion and those opinions differ at times.

  15. Diane Hughes says:

    Jim and Rusty the point that I was trying to make was it’s better to base one’s opinions on facts other than hatred of one group or another. To say that the tea party are our Taliban is simply not factual nor based on objective research. If one did a detailed study or spend some time with members of the Tea Party or paid a visit to the Middle East and spent a few weeks with the Taliban, than one could truly have an objective honest opinion.

    In this case, where truth has been clouded by opinion or ideology instead of facts, than it would be better to remain silent. Ken and I are extreme opposites, but we have learned to show each other respect and for the most part we live in peace and harmony. If it works for us than it should work for others.

    In our society today, we seem to want to label each other, and if some one is not the same label we are, than they are somehow almost evil. I believe that cable news which has to stay on 24/7 has a lot to do with this. We have become a society that can no longer show respect to those who have a different opinion from us and we have lost the art of listening.

  16. Andrew Wynn says:

    “Nobody’s looking for a Marxist dictatorship, but it’s easy to see the fringe right as dreaming of a christian theocracy. Replace the quran with the bible, and your ideals neatly mirror those in Iran.”

    Really now. Please back this up…but I suggest you do show [sic] in a manner that displays a continuity of thinking, showing how you arrived at those conclusions, rather than just regurgitating prepackaged opinions and hitting “submit comment.”

    Please forgive me for having the gall to ask you to hold yourself to the same standards—among other things—you wish to impose upon me.

  17. Jim Popp says:

    Diane,

    I don’t “hate” anybody who you or I would consider regular, everyday citizens, no matter what their political views are. I do however dispise the people in power that I consider “the ultra left” just like I dispise the arian white supremists. Those two I consider to be about the same for each side, except on different ends of the spectrum. The initial premise of Angelou’s letter, comparing the Taliban to The Tea Party in my opinion, is not even a close cpmparison. I would submit to you that the far left is much more intolerable of anything or anyone not agreeing with them than any Tea Party member that I know.

    Most of us, whether Republican or Democrat, fall into a catagory somewhere in the middle and both sides have made some serious mistakes in governing decisions up until now. Trust is completely gone when one side talks about the other and that has been purposely pushed by those in power to keep the average citizen concentrated on what those in power want us to look at rather than the actual serious situations going on in our country today. No doubt, it is a mess and right now I personally cannot see it straightening out anytime soon. This, in itself, concerns me greatly!

  18. says:

    angelou del angel; the first paragraph in your original piece says all that needs to be said, after that your left-winged agenda to overuse adjectives and adverbs shows you really have nothing to say.
    Andrew Wynn:Feel sorry for the liberals the fact is they have no understanding for what they are asking.

  19. Tracy Smith says:

    Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking.
    Albert Einstein

    Ignorance is the curse of God; knowledge is the wing wherewith we fly to heaven.
    William Shakespeare

    These are intelligent thoughts made by highly intelligent thinkers, the only thing one must do is to think them again. Information is not knowledge, Common Sense is. Slightly left of center, thankfully is where most of the country is today. The Libertarian Tea Party has begun to wear out their welcome with the Republican Party and elected officials such as Ted Cruz will be the reason Texas will turn blue.

  20. Diane Hughes says:

    Jim,
    I am just trying to bring a little civility into the conversation. I am very passionate about my personal beliefs, but I found it works better for me to pray to the One who can change the things I cannot change. You cannot have any kind of debate with those who will not listen. All you get is people talking over each other and no body hearing what the other is trying to say. This is why we see such a stalemate in Washington, DC. You have a divided Congress and a President who does not want to have a conversation with those who do not agree with him. Somewhere along the way there has to be some kind of compromise, or the American people will begin to say, No more! When that happens there will be change. Eventually people will have enough of all the speeches,the continuous campaign events and will want results. When gas prices keep going up and all of the President’s policies and laws begin to kick in putting the squeeze on the Middle class and the elderly, then we will see the sleeping giant come to life. You can’t pull the wool over their eyes, but for just so long.

  21. Fair enough, Popp, good eye, then that you would catch on to a claim I didn’t explain.

    So, to do so, it all starts with legislating one’s morality onto the populace as a whole. One might make the case that Prohibition was an example of this, an attempt of the vocal few to make their morals apply to everyone through law.

    Things began, predictably enough, with fear. The Red Scare of the 50’s and the McCarthyist response that came along with it saw “In God We Trust” replace “E. Plurbius Unum” (out of many, one) on our currency. Seemed innocent enough, given they were the godless commies and we were the faithful free.

    It was a way of differentiating ourselves from our enemy, but it still violated the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. Rather minor as establishing goes, but, it set a precedent.

    Then, it was violated further by granting religious institutions tax-exempt status, in hopes that they would stay out of the political sphere. Even “Mr. Conservative” of his day, Republican Barry Goldwater saw it coming then:

    “Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”
    ~Barry Goldwater

    So now, we see the likes of Santorum who thought that it was the government’s place to deny privacy in order to curtail homosexuality.

    “If the Supreme Court says that you have a right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything.”
    ~Rick Santorum

    Months later, the Supreme Court would disagree with him, ruling in favor of privacy in Lawrence vs. Texas, 2003.

    Then we have the Catholic hierarchy seeking that healthcare not provide contraception. Well, if you don’t want the government to fund anything an individual our group finds morally objectionable, then where’s Randolph and mine’s tax refund check for the Iraq war that we were lied into and kept in way past the pull date?

    That’s just a handful of examples off the top of my head. THAT is the way in which the Tea Party equates to the Taliban…because the Taliban used religion as a perfect rallying point to bring together the gullible, pointing to a romanticized notion past values, just as the fringe Christian right is doing in America.

  22. Andrew Wynn says:

    Can’t you get a single thing right???

    “Things began, predictably enough, with fear. The Red Scare of the 50′s and the McCarthyist response that came along with it saw “In God We Trust” replace “E. Plurbius Unum” (out of many, one) on our currency. Seemed innocent enough, given they were the godless commies and we were the faithful free.”

    Absolutely WRONG. Both phrases have been on the currency for a long, long time.

    “It was a way of differentiating ourselves from our enemy, but it still violated the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. Rather minor as establishing goes, but, it set a precedent.”

    Your assertion that it violates the First Amendment is absolutely false as this was not the establishment of a state religion OR interference in anyone’s right to practice their own.

    And McCarthy was CORRECT, by the way.

    “Then, it was violated further by granting religious institutions tax-exempt status, in hopes that they would stay out of the political sphere.”

    You truly have no idea what you’re talking about. The First Amendment was intended to keep government out of religion, not to keep the church out of government. Read it. It’s written in simple English.

    Too bad Goldwater had delusions about Christianity. Assuming your quote is accurate, that is.

    “So now, we see the likes of Santorum who thought that it was the government’s place to deny privacy in order to curtail homosexuality. ”

    Does it never stop?? This is one of the grossest distortions you’ve come up with yet! In your heart of hearts, do you really and truly believe that the conservative stance of refusal to recognize gay marriage equates to a desire to curtail anyone’s behavior? You HAVE to be kidding me. How do you come up with this nonsense?

    “Then we have the Catholic hierarchy seeking that healthcare not provide contraception. Well, if you don’t want the government to fund anything an individual our group finds morally objectionable, then where’s Randolph and mine’s tax refund check for the Iraq war that we were lied into and kept in way past the pull date?”

    If you think you can grasp a concept, please try but do not hurt yourself: the entire healthcare bill is a fraud and a usurpation of power and is UNCONSTITUTIONAL—I do not care what nine political hacks in black robes have to say about it. The federal government has no place in such affairs, period. The conduct of foreign policy, on the other hand, is a legitimate function of the federal government. The wisdom of various administrations’ foreign policy is another subject all together and not what is being discussed here.

    Your attempts to deceive readers are deplorable. Falsehood after falsehood, misrepresentation after misrepresentation, and logical fallacy after logical fallacy…is this what your esteemed college professors taught you? You should go back to your alma mater and demand a refund. They’ve programmed you in WHAT to think, and not taught you HOW to think, and the funny (but tragic) thing about that is you don’t even realize it. ROFL! You dwell right square in the ranks of the gullible.

  23. Andrew, you pegged yourself the minute you said McCarthy was correct.

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