LETTERS TO THE EDITOR

Speak up for your rights

By Diane Hughes | Published Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Because our world is changing so rapidly, it does us good to look back and listen to those who have lived before us. I would like to share with you a few words from the past that still ring true today.

” Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure; reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle ”

Farewell Address, President George Washington, United States, 17th September, 1796

“Whereas, it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor; and, whereas, both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness ”

Proclamation for the First National Thanksgiving Day in the new Republic

Issued Oct. 3, 1789, President George Washington

If only those in the city that is named after our first president would heed his words today. Our freedoms of religious expression are slowly being taken away from us, one by one. Why are so many silent?

Diane Hughes
Decatur

39 Responses to “Speak up for your rights”

  1. Couldn’t be any more clearer Diane. Thanks so much for sharing this wisdom.

    Craig

  2. Rusty White says:

    Diane,

    What “freedom of expression” have you lost, who is stopping you from believing as you wish? Who is stopping you from gathering in your chosen house of worship? Who is stopping you from teaching your children your beliefs?

    In a nation full of “Every” belief known to mankind as well as those of “No” beliefs at all, a Nation where “Individual Freedoms” is our corner stone for each and every American to live as they so believe.

    Knowing those of all faiths and those of none have and “”still are”” giving their lives for “”EVERY ONE”” in this country. So they and their families can have these “Individual Freedoms” promised and paid for with the “Blood and Lives” of “”ALL KINDS”” of AMERICANS past and present.

    How is it you feel “”"YOUR”"” beliefs are some how more special and more deserving than any others, while demanding more status, power and forced recognition in to our laws, government and “”every” Americans daily lives????

    What gives “”you”” these special rights over all others, and if you were to force “your” beliefs upon everyone, would it not be at the cost of others “Beliefs, rights and Individual Freedoms”???

  3. Diane Hughes says:

    Rusty where have you been for the last 40-50 years.

  4. Rusty White says:

    While it is true everybody has the right to their religious beliefs, it is also “Equally” true everybody has the right to be “Free From” others religious beliefs! IS IT NOT????

  5. Diane Hughes says:

    My family came to America in 1736 in order to flee religious persecution in Europe. They fled the tyranny of the Kings of Europe, but now Christians in this nation come face to face with another form of tyranny. It does not originate from our government, so to speak, but from radical atheist groups that have made it their purpose to rid this country from any public acknowledgment of God whatsoever. They especially go after Christians and Jesus Christ. (You never hear them going after Islam or Mohammad.) They want to remove every cross, every Nativity scene, every mention of God, His Son Jesus, prayer and His Word from this Nation. Christians from schools, veterans, city halls, Christians soldiers and Chaplains in our military, and the list goes on and on, are being terrorized, warned, intimidated and threatened by such organizations as FFRF, ACLU, and others. As a grandmother, I find it especially despicable when they go after our young children in the schools. Neither our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, our Foundering Fathers, or our Nation’s history gives these groups the authority to do this. It’s when citizens cave into their demands that we fail as a Democracy. I will say that I firmly believe that the Supreme Court has overstepped its bounds by speaking for the American people. The Balance of Powers has suffered greatly, because of some Supreme Courts decisions. I do not believe their actions over the past 50 years have been the original intent of our Founding Fathers. The people in Athens, Texas had the right idea. They were not intimidated by FFRF, they stood their ground, and refused to remove their Nativity Scene. You talk about bullying in this country and how horrible it is especially toward the gay community, but the truth is these radical atheists groups are the biggest bullies of them all. Christians from small children,schools, city halls, to men and women in our military are being bullied just about everyday somewhere in this country by either the ACLU, FFRF or another one these groups. When I went to school we started every morning with the Pledge of Allegiance to our flag, prayer, a Bible study and the Ten Commandments were hanging on the wall for all to see. We were given Bibles in the fourth grade, and during World War II my father was given a Bible when he enlisted. There was nothing wrong back then with Religious Freedom in this country not on any American soil, and it isn’t now. The problem is not Religious expression in this country so much as it is anti-God and anti-Christ groups and organizations who have a serious problem with God and His Son Jesus Christ. If you don’t believe God exists, why do you spend so much of your time and money fighting against Him and His family. It just isn’t logical.

  6. Tracy Smith says:

    Diane,
    You are off base. Forced beliefs in any religion is wrong. Those who Fled remained as citizens of England and thereby the laws that governed them, so where they really that suppressed? It was the founding fathers that recognized the need for the division of government and religious beliefs. It is unfortunate for those wrongly persecuted during the Salem Witch trials that our founding fathers weren’t around in time to save them.

    I find that being of a different faith from say my neighbors faith is not that big of a deal as long as we don’t confront each other with our differing opinions. We get along just fine and I find them quite pleasurable company and I assume they find me the same way since we don’t have arguments to the contrary. Shouldn’t we consider this is the reason our founding fathers decided to make a constitution that protects the American People when they practice their religion and keep it out of government hands so that nobody feels uncomfortable in each others company?

  7. Diane Hughes says:

    Terry,

    I honestly have no problem with people with other religions, or those who do not believe in anything. We are told to love all people. Our Bill of Rights guarantees us Freedom of Religion, not Freedom from Religion unless that’s your choice, but how about leaving the rest of us alone. Ken and I have lived in different countries and states, and we have always shown kindness and respect for all people regardless of their faith, their race or nationality. I just happen to think the witch hunt in this country is against Christians by radical groups who want to have no religion. From the reports I get almost everyday in regard to these groups activities, it is becoming extreme and reminds me how nations began to come under socialist movements. The first thing they did was to silence the Christians and their influence in their communities, and that is exactly what is happening in this country today. We are told we can’t pray where we have been praying for years, we are told we can’t celebrate Christmas in public, when we have done that for years, we are told we have to remove crosses that have stood for years, and so on. The evidence of our Christian Heritage is slowly being removed one cross at a time, one scripture at a time. I am old enough to remember. I know our Nations history and there are those who are trying to rewrite it. I collect books that are out of print just to safeguard that history, some are over a 100 years old. I have said all I’m going to say on this matter, because I have learned from experience you can’t change someones mind when it becomes a debate on opinions. We seem to have become a Nation of opinions more than truth. I honestly don’t have time for all this writing, too much to do. I have said my peace, and I am done.

  8. Rusty White says:

    Diane,

    For me it is a matter of to each their own, I do not want others to teach or attempt to influence my children nor grandchildren about faith, “others” do NOT have that right, period!

    I want our laws, schools, and government based on facts, fairness, equality and common sense “NOT ANYONES” religious beliefs, period!

    There is no organization in this country forcing anybody to remove any religious symbols from their own “private” property, IS THERE??? There is no one trying to close any churches, ARE THERE???

    When it comes to “Public” buildings and Funds paid for with “Every bodies” tax dollars, “””NO”” ones religious beliefs should have anymore special influence or exposure than any other, PERIOD!

    I was taught it was wrong to demand special attention because of your faith, it is also wrong to claim to be of more faith than some one else! If ones faith is true and strong enough you don’t need any ones permission, acceptance or a “public display” to prove it!

    Those claiming to be a better person, better citizens or better Judge or better politician or better AMERICAN because of their “supposed” faith , are an insult to faith and “HIS“ teachings! IMHO

    END OF DISCUSSION!!!

  9. Diane Hughes says:

    This is my last editorial. It’s like trying to give a warning that a storm is coming, and everyone covers their ears so they can not hear. It’s amazing when you say one thing, and someone comes out of left field with something that had nothing to do with what you were saying at all. We have become a divided country, and we are paralyzed because of it. Everyone is talking and no one is listening. (Congress is a good example of this.) This experience is totally a waste of time for me, especially when there are things to do that really matter. No sour grapes or not upset with anyone or their opinions or beliefs, just realized this is not for me. I’ll leave it to my husband who seems to get a big kick out of all the drama.

  10. Diane Hughes says:

    I realized in my last comment I said something that could have been taken wrong. Freedom of speech and voicing ones opinions really matter, and are essential to any free society, as well as Freedom of Religion. That’s all folks!

  11. Rose Stuber says:

    Mrs. Hughes, take heart! Some of us do hear the storm coming and we are extremely concerned.

    As a comment to Mr. White, the Obama Administration IS trying to dictate to the Roman Catholic Church what they should believe and do regarding faith matters of contraception and abortion, i.e., the “morning after pill”. Has he not heard of the lawsuit that has been filed by over 40 Roman Catholic institutions against the Federal Government? If the government is bold enough to try to control the largest organization in the world, who will be next?

    Thank you for your recent letters. You are correct, it does take a lot of time to write a thoughtful, well-ordered opinion.

    It must be quite interesting in your household!

    God Bless,

    Rose Stuber

  12. Diane Hughes says:

    Rose,

    Thank you for your encouragement. My husband and I try not to get into discussions that will cost conflict. Tomorrow June 3rd, we celebrate 46 years of marriage. We do have our moments, but love and respect for each another has kept us throughout the years. The real interesting thing about our household is: If Ken and I can get along and live together, it’s proof that the rest of this Nation can.

    Thanks again Rose, how about you sending in an editorial and express your views on the freedom of religious and social conscience vs a dictatorial Federal government.

    God Bless You,
    Diane

  13. Diane Hughes says:

    Rose,

    Perhaps dictatorial Federal government is a little harsh, how about over-reaching Federal government? Sounds much more polite. Hope you will send in a letter to the editor.

    God Bless,
    Diane

  14. Rusty White says:

    Rose,

    You would be hard pressed to find anyone who dislikes our present system more than I do! I am really very easy to understand as to my beliefs. NOBODY if it be the government or “”ANY”" supposed faith has the right to “force” their beliefs as to how one should lives their lives, on to “”ANY” AMERICAN!!!

    When it comes to abortion and the pill after, “”"IF”" your not part of the family is it “NONE” of your business, PERIOD! I am old enough to remember when those that could not mind their own business were seen and called “busy bodies” and were looked down upon by everybody! Yet today that is not the case, one can claim to be of supposed faith and attempt to justify getting in to “”others” personal and private family matters, and in my book that goes against Faith it’s self and what this country was founded upon,PERIOD!!

    TO EACH THEIR OWN, and let “HIM” be the judge!!!

  15. Tracy Smith says:

    @ Rose,

    FYI, The Catholic Church as a congregation is not fighting the federal government. The group of MEN who are celibate are making decisions. Most of the women (in the 90th percentile) who are of the Catholic Faith and work in some way for the Catholic Diocese take birth Control Pills, they just have to pay for the service out of pocket. What else that is NOT covered by the Catholic Insurance healthcare plans include services such as Tubal Ligation surgeries and Hysterectomies, even when it is a medical necessity. Some woman need birth control pills to help control diseases such as endometriosis. Most all other employer based healthcare plans do offer this same coverage. Something else you should know about the Catholic Diocese provided Healthcare plans is that it DOES cover vasectomies and yes, VIAGRA TOO. Most Women who work for the Catholic Diocese were happy to see that the Affordable Care act would make the Catholic Diocese finally have a fair and equitable health insurance plan.

  16. Rusty White says:

    Tracy,

    How dare you, did you not get the memo? Those on the “right” will make the decisions as to what you need and what you say and have, regardless of what you want or what your doctor says!

    See that way you don’t have to worry about things like “Individual Freedoms, Equality or fair and Equal treatment! I am sure after a while you will “learn” to bow to their self pro-claimed rights, only they have, while “learning ” to “know your place” and how to remain silent!!!

    I got to go puke now, on the serious side even though I am a male I can not understand how “”ANY FREE AMERICAN WOMAN” in this day and age could support or willingly subjugate themselves and their bodies to these self pro-claimed chosen ones????

  17. Rose Stuber says:

    Tracy….sorry, not for one minute do I buy the vasectomy coverage on the Diocesan health care plan. I suspect from your response that you are not even Catholic. A tubal pregnancy would be ended, because the baby would never be able to develop in the tube because that’s not where babies are supposed to grow. A hysterectomy is performed because one or more of the reproductive organs are diseased or failing. Viagra addresses sexual dysfunction in men. I’m pretty sure the Diocese of Dallas or Ft. Worth is going to let you get a hysterectomy if you need one! Yes, Catholic women use birth control and they also have abortions. I’m not sitting in the pews trying to figure out who’s on the pill and who’s not. I have my hands full trying to keep my own self on the straight and narrow. The teachings of the Church are extremely clear. If you choose not to follow them, it’s up to you. It is not up to the government to decide for any religion, or any other organization/business for that matter, on what they shall or shall not insure.

  18. Tracy Smith says:

    Unfortunately For you Rose, Your assumption is Wrong. Not only am a Catholic, But I was Baptized, Communionized and Confirmed in the Catholic Church. I also Attended Catholic School from the Time I was in Kindergarten through 8th Grade. I also have several Friends who are employed and have the benefits I mentioned above. So I do understand what they are doing and Whom is making those decisions. The Catholic Healthcare Benefits DOES NOT COVER ANY TYPE OF FEMALE BIRTH CONTROL INCLUDING THE SOMETIMES MEDICALLY NECESSARY HYSTERECTOMIES AND TUBAL LIGATIONS. FYI Tubal Ligations are when a woman gets her tubes tied to prevent pregnancies. I had a Friend who was Catholic and worked as a Teacher in the School. She was on her eighth pregnancy. When she Was close to her 9th month, Her uterus and baby fell out almost killing the baby and she almost hemorrhaged to death. Fortunately they both survived, But not after she needed a complete Hysterectomy, Bladder surgery and surgeries and medicines to repair several of her other organs that had been damaged by the trauma along with a long hospital stay for both of them. Well, guess what… All the bills where paid except the hysterectomy procedure and the Doctors bills that did the surgery nor the follow up visits that followed. And yes, women don’t get the care they need paid for while men are able to have vasectomies and Viagra under the same coverage. You should look it up. The Affordable Care act is made to help rectify these injustices and make it fair and equitable for all. Other Industrialized nations who have a Universal healthcare plan cover these benefits because it is government run. The Catholic Church has Employees in these countries too and don’t seem to care there what they do as long as they aren’t paying for it, so lets just call for a government run, single payer medicare for all plan and be done with it then.

    Just Curious Rose, Are you a Catholic?

  19. Diane Hughes says:

    Amen Rose! I have come to believe that our government no longer understands the difference morality and immorality. We have become a society where anything goes. Sin is applauded and Jesus and people of Faith are being condemned, so how is our country doing? We are no longer number one in education, manufacturing, and many other areas. How many wars have we won in the last 60 years other than Desert Storm? We are also almost 16 trillion dollars in debt. Our Congress is divided, and our economy is going no where. Why? Because we no longer know right from wrong!

  20. Diane Hughes says:

    Our government no longer understands the difference between morality and immorality.

  21. Diane Hughes says:

    Tracy,

    I understand your concern about birth control and health care. The only issue that I see here is that the Catholic women need to address this issue with the Catholic Church and the Pope, not the government forcing the Catholic Church to go against their conscience. The government has no business in the affairs of the Church. It seems of late Catholic women have several grievances to discuss with the Church in Rome: The nuns who where reprimanded recently for not following the Vatican’s view on who they can serve in the medical field and how, the question of women priest, and contraception. Perhaps it time for Catholic women to petition the Pope and the Vatican on these issues and call for change. On the other hand, it’s wrong for the federal government to force people to buy anything, especially if they do not have the means to pay for the insurance or the tax penalty if they don’t. This too is cruel. We also have to consider that many of the European country which have provided so many social programs are now on the verge of bankruptcy. Our government is almost 16 trillion dollars in debt, we have over 20,000,000 people out of work. Many small businesses or small churches are not able to meet the demands of this health care bill. We need less wars and more charity from us all to take care of our neighbors, not a federal government imposing it’s will on it’s citizens or on the Church.

  22. Rose Stuber says:

    Tracy,

    Yes, I am a practicing Catholic and belong to St. John’s in Bridgeport, Texas. If you are a local person, then you know that we are in the Diocese of Ft. Worth. I also attended Catholic school through (and including) Senior year in Illinois. And yes, I perfectly well know that a tubal ligation is the female equivalent to a vasectomy for a man–AKA permanent sterilization. Viagra is not a birth control method. If you are a cradle Catholic, what part of this do you not understand? The Catholic Church has taught from day one that birth control is wrong–whether you use permanent or non-permanent methods. Why would they cave now on something that they teach is wrong? In order to put this conversation to rest (and also to satisfy myself that I know the facts) I have left a message with someone at the Ft. Worth Diocese to call me back. I will report back my findings here, as I’m sure there are other folks interested by this.

  23. Tracy Smith says:

    Not all Catholic Diocese in the United States are filing litigation lawsuits against the Federal Government. At last count some 60 diocese did, with several in Texas. The other US Catholic Diocese haven’t because they DO have medical plans that cover the above mentioned Woman’s Healthcare issues. It’s not up to the Pope or the Vatican. As you put it, they only filed suit because of the forced cost and additional expense to add the additional coverage for women. What the GOP did and what Ms. Stuber and you did as well was to turn the fight into a war of forced government into the right of religious freedoms. I countered that with what I felt was common sense as to why it should be covered. But again, taking the emotion out of it, the Reality is that it all boils down to the money. It is somewhat the truth that the Catholic Church allowed the emotion to get involved to help further their case and convinced the congregations into thinking it was a mortal sin to use birth control in women, but the truth is that it is just more expensive to cover the plans that include what is considered additional and sometimes Long Term Care to full fill a Woman’s Reproductive needs. A Cost, in my opinion, with the Affordable Care act in place, would help reduce cost of health insurance and keep the cost in control making it affordable for individuals and businesses that use these benefits as a recruiting tool for employees. I understand the cautious nature of something new, I remember when they mandated Car insurance for every vehicle. That was a firestorm too. But it is a much better solution than to continue the cruelty of a woman’s suffering (suffering such as the cruelty my friend went through)for the fear it might cost too much money.

  24. Mrs. Hughes..You should take your husbands keyboard away from him and take over all the opinion writing. You make a lot more sense and are more pleasant to read.

  25. Tracy Smith says:

    Actually Rose, The Catholic Church has NOT taught from DAY ONE that birth control was wrong.

    In 1968, Pope Paul VI spelled it out. Any act specifically intended to prevent getting pregnant — other than timing sex for the infertile part of a woman’s cycle — is unlawful, he wrote. Not only that, it was “an evil thing,” he said, to make it easy to break moral law.

    So therefore, the teachings and beliefs of the Catholic Faith, like most all other religions seem to be evolving or in some instances Regressing. (IMHO ;)).

    For Instance, A conservative Catholic believes, God intends men to be the leaders in society, the family, and the Church. Women should not have positions of teaching or leadership over adult men in society, the family, or the Church. Women should not be on parish councils. Women should not be lectors, extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, or ushers. Bishops and priests should not give positions of leadership and authority over men to women in any diocese or parish. Wives should be submissive and obedient to their husbands in Christ.

    So if the 1968 doctrine is to be followed, Men are in complete control of the decisions including the “timing” of sex. Thereby, a woman has no choices. The reverence that Jesus gave to Women in the New Testament seem to be in contrast to what these teachings say.

  26. Diane Hughes says:

    Tracy,

    I understand your concerns for women, we all have that concern, but the issue is the Federal government does not have the right to force Americans to make purchases and then tax them if they don’t, nor do they have the right to dictate to the Church. If we allow this to happen, it could lead to other things. I personally believe the states should develop their own plan and appoint women from different walks of life to put together a health care plan that best suits the women in their state. I am against too much government control, and too much socialism. If they can tell the Catholic Church to cross the line of conscience, what will be next. Socialism starts gradually, and most of the time religion is the first to go, and then your personal freedoms. After living in Germany for 3 years, and seeing what can happened to a nation, it will cost one to think twice. The government has no right in this country to tell the Church to give up their right to conscience, and force them to commit something which they consider wrong. I am not a Catholic, but I stand with the Church in principle. I believe in the Charity of the American people, and the right for the states to develop a health care plan that will meet the needs of their citizens, but I absolutely do not agree with giving the Federal Government the power to dictate to the Church and force their will on the people. Too much power can be corrupted and end up taking away the rights of it’s citizens. It’s like water dripping one drop at a time, and you wake up one morning to find your life being swept away in a flood. I stand with the Catholic Church in principle, the state can not force the Church to relinquish their conscience, and commit what they may consider a sin. If you feel so strongly about this then start something to help women in your community, I’ll be glad to help you.

  27. Diane Hughes says:

    Tracy,

    I missed seeing your last post, before I wrote my last comment. I have no problem with contraception. I have heard it said if men had the first child in the family, each family would only have one child. It is hard for men to understand what it’s like to go through a pregnancy. Catholic women really need to address the issue of contraception in the Catholic Church, and work out a solution. My problem with the Health Care Bill is the way it has been handled from the beginning. It was a 2000+ page bill pushed through Chicago style so quickly with arm twisting and favors that most of our representatives had no time to read it much less time to study the bill. The President just wanted to get some kind of health care bill passed while he had the opportunity. No matter what any of us think, even the President, the Supreme Court will decide the fate of this bill most likely this month. I have a problem with the federal government forcing any bill on American citizens which demands that they purchase anything, and punishing citizens with a tax penalty if they do not comply regardless of the cost to their families. I also have a problem with the federal government infringing anything upon the Church, especially if it goes against their conscience. We can all see what is happening in Europe. We are almost 16 trillion dollars in debt, and our government needs to live within its means, just like the rest of us have to. There is a better way, but it requires people working together for the good of our children and our grandchildren. Please forgive my last post, I missed reading your last comment. I was going on about socialism with I think is a great evil to the people that are forced to live under it. Socialism also infringes on the religious rights and personal freedoms of it’s citizens. It is far better for a nation to trust in God as our Nation’s Motto states, “In God We Trust”.

  28. Rose Stuber says:

    Tracy,

    I hope you find the following link as interesting as I did.

    http://www.catholic.com/tracts/birth-control

    Most parishes that I have been to (including ours) have women that volunteer in all of the jobs you mentioned above: Lectors, Extraordinary Ministers, Ushers/Greeters, Altar Servers. Although, there are some Pastors who will not allow girls to serve at Altar. The scripture “Wives, be submissive to your husbands” is immediately followed by “Husbands, love your wives.” A good marriage isn’t one spouse always being under-dog to the other, in timing of sex or any other matter. It’s a partnership–I like to think of it as being a well-matched team of horses. Sometimes, one partner has to give more to accommodate the other; but it should always be able to flow both ways. The Church isn’t perfect and I accept that. I’ve been to other worship services in different faiths, and while they were inspiring and uplifting, they didn’t satisfy me the way a Catholic Mass does.

  29. Diane Hughes says:

    Rose,

    I agree with you on the subject of marriage, it is a partnership not a dictatorship. When a couple really cares for each other, there are no under-dogs, you lift each other up.

  30. Tracy Smith says:

    In 1965, Medicare was created. Medicare guarantees access to health insurance for Americans ages 65 and older and younger people with disabilities. As a social insurance program, Medicare spreads the financial risk associated with illness across society to protect everyone, and thus has a somewhat different social role from private insurers, which must manage their risk portfolio to guarantee their own solvency by increasing premiums to the insured as a result of out of control Healthcare costs.

    Before Medicare’s creation, only half of older adults had health insurance, with coverage either unavailable or unaffordable to the other half. In 1972, Congress expanded Medicare eligibility to younger people who have permanent disabilities and receive Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) payments. Congress further expanded Medicare in 2001 to cover younger people with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig’s disease). In 1997 under the Balanced Budget Act, Congress then added Medicare Part C (originally called Medicare+Choice, then later changed to Medicare Advantage), which allows enrollees to receive their Medicare benefits through a private plan. In 2003, Medicare Part D was created under the Medicare Modernization Act.
    Some Conservatives claimed that Medicare, a government-run program would lead to socialism in America:
    § Ronald Reagan, in 1961, stated that: “[I]f you don’t [stop Medicare] and I don’t do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free. However, in 1980 under his administration, Medicare was expanded by adding prescription drug coverage.
    § George H. W. Bush, while a candidate for the US Senate in 1964, described Medicare as “socialized” medicine. But in 1988 under his administration, the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act was passed again expanding what he once considered “socialized” medicine.
    § Barry Goldwater in 1964: “Having given our pensioners their medical care in kind, why not food baskets, why not public housing accommodations, why not vacation resorts, why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink?”
    § In 1995 Bob Dole stated that he was one of 12 House members who voted against creating Medicare in 1965. “I was there, fighting the fight, voting against Medicare … because we knew it wouldn’t work in 1965.”
    In August of 2007, George W. Bush and Congress passed the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act. Part of this legislation included filling gaps in prescription-drug coverage.

    Again in 2007, many economists concluded that payments to Medicare Advantage providers had become excessive, but the Republican Senate, after heavy lobbying from the insurance industry, declined to agree to the cuts in Medicare Advantage programs proposed by the House Democrats.

    I give you these examples to bring back my point. All the same ol’ arguments that you, Mrs. Hughes and Ms. Stuber are trying to spoon feed me and others so we can chew on them for a while and then swallow have already been processed, discarded and flushed down the toilet and is now sitting in the crock of sh** container. The Medicare act when first proposed went through the same gambit including a constitutional challenge at the Supreme Court when first enacted. It passed the litany test then and from the what I can see from above, the same conservatives denouncing the program, later had supported it so much they were willing to expand it. I would be surprised if the Supreme Court says the Affordable Care act is unconstitutional. If they do so, then it would 100% based on personal opinions and not law and a whole can of worms would be opened by now having to revisit whether Social Security and Medicare Taxation was constitutional.

    BTW, ladies while we are respectfully disagreeing on these issues, we might set a record for the most comments below one OPED piece. I think the WCM should hire us. ;)

  31. Diane Hughes says:

    Tracy,

    All we have to do is look at what is happening in Europe to realize that it is impossible to create the utopia that so many liberals want to have in America by turning our country into a form of government that borders on socialism. It will not work! Liberals seem to overlook the 16 trillion dollar debt, the 25 million tax payers out of work, the Constitution, plus the fact every time an abortion takes place in this country it not only takes the life of the innocent, it also takes the life of a future taxpayer. Over 50,000,000 babies aborted since Roe vs Wade who would have had an opportunity to have life, a family, and to contribute to this country has been stolen from them. Tracy, it not all about women. What about the innocent lives that are taken every year?

    We have already lost businesses that have gone overseas. The more pressure put on job providers will only lead to more companies leaving this country, more loss of jobs and less tax dollars being contributed to our national treasury. Additional damage will also be done to small businesses that are already struggling. Whatever happened to people taking personal responsibility?

    It is not up to the federal government to force Church organizations and businesses to provide free birth control for women employees, especially when it goes against Church and individual conscience and freedom of ones faith. It makes me wonder what’s next! Will we become like China? This is too much government control in the Church and the private sector. It discriminates against women by making it more profitable to hire men, and against small businesses by adding an additional expense that is no more than another form of tax. Can’t we in this nation exercise a little bit of self-control, and personal responsibility? Have we come to the place that we expect the government to take care of everything for us?

    We do not give our children a blank check and tell them it’s o.k. to fill in any amount they want. No! We don’t behave like our Federal government does, who could survive if we handled our finances like our elected officials do in DC? Everyone has a set back every now and then, but I hardly call 16 trillion dollars a set back. I call it a disaster waiting to happen and fiscal insanity.

    Ken and I have seven grandchildren and I am concerned for their future and the future of this country. We must establish fiscal sanity in Washington, DC, honor the right of freedom of religion and conscience in this country, and allow businesses to make their own decisions in regard to what employee benefits they can provide for their employees.

    Tracy, forget about us being hired by WCM! Won’t work! Forget about it! I don’t think we are in their budget.

  32. Rose Stuber says:

    Diane, AMEN AMEN AMEN!!

    Tracy, I would hardly call Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security successful programs — they are broke. I actually have had this same argument with a liberal priest friend of mine. I asked him “where was the money going to come from?” All he could do was shrug his shoulders at me. All I hear from the liberals is “raise taxes on the wealthy”. Even if you took every single dollar away from every single wealthy American, there wouldn’t be enough money to pay off our national debt. As a nation of free people, we are going to have to make some very hard choices–I don’t see any other way out.

  33. Diane Hughes says:

    Rose,

    I agree with you.

  34. Tracy Smith says:

    Missing the point, BOTH of you.

    Diane,
    These programs aren’t socialism. I know I am taxed for these, so it is my right to have them and when I come of age to draw on my savings, I’ll be able to use my benefits the same way you do (hopefully). When employers are taxed to match the rate, it is 100% deductible as an operating expense off there Profit Margin.

    At Both of You, (especially Rose Since she brought it up)
    Did you not read my last post? It wasn’t the Liberals who were expanding the medicare/medicaide/social security programs. The reason it needs fledging is because they’ve been underfunded by Conservatives expanding services and refusing to generate the revenue to cover the cost. It’s like when credit was expanded to boost economic growth. People were charging credit cards left and right,enjoying all the benefits, over extending themselves and then freaked when the bill came.

    I’m making an assumption here, and I apologize in advance if I am wrong, but when you Diane and Rose receive your social security checks in the mail, are you marking them Return to Sender? When you go to the Doctor, Are they filing with your medicare primary? I’m not upset that you are using what you have earned, but please don’t ask me to buy into the fact that you care about my future while you are.

  35. Diane Hughes says:

    Tracy,

    Sounds like Obama, blame everybody, but don’t take any responsibility. This is why we see Washington at a stand still. The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office warned if current spending policies remain the same Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and interest on our national debt will swallow 100% of tax revenues by 2025. The CBO also predicted that in 25 years the national debt will balloon to twice the size of the economy.

    Tracy, why would any American want to pay higher taxes to a government that is 16 trillion dollars in debt, wasteful and extravagant in their spending habits. A Congress that can’t get along, and is at odds with each other most of the time. Why? Why would we trust them to make wise decisions with additional revenues, when they can’t manage the revenue they already have? What would happen if we sent our President and Congress to a local financial adviser, and they had to manage our countries finances like most American families have to?

    The Republicans want to cut spending and the Democrats want to raise taxes. I honestly believe you could send mothers who clip coupons and know how to stretch their money to Washington, and they could do a far better job. They could trim the fat off of every department in our federal government and send the President and Congress to “time out” until they could act like adults and get this Nation back on track. American are getting tired of the blame game, and the bickering in DC. We want results, not childish behavior!

  36. Diane Hughes says:

    Tracy and Rose,

    Our time is soon going to run out on, “Speak up for your rights”. I have enjoyed the discussion, but after all ladies, this is not a political blog, it’s comments on a letter to the editor.

    I’ve enjoyed the conversation. Ken and I very rarely discuss politics. Wonder why?

    Diane

  37. Rose Stuber says:

    Tracy,

    As far as social security checks/medicare, I’m not old enough. And while we pay the full SS amount(both employer & employee), I don’t expect to ever get a penny from it. We are diligently saving and trying to prepare for our own future. We are self-employed and pay every penny of our own medical. We have a $5,000 deductible on each of us to keep the premiums down and they are still $700 a month for 2 of us. They went up $180 immediately at the first Obamacare wave and I fully expect them to continue to rise.

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