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Get the facts straight

By Dan August | Published Wednesday, July 25, 2012

If Ken Hughes insists on framing himself as a liberal elitist know-it-all, please, Mr. Hughes, get your facts straight.

The shameful circumstances surrounding the offenses at Penn State University have no association with the Catholic church. As a practicing Catholic, I take offense at your suggestion to the contrary. Our area Catholic parishes contribute greatly to the quality of life in and around Wise County, as do other local religious denominations.

Anyone with half a brain can rattle off a mile-long list of the problems in our world. I’m not sure how insulting any faith community contributes to solving those awful things. If you want to be an atheist, agnostic – or however you want to label yourself – that’s your business. I’d thank you to leave my belief set out of your weekly rants.

Dan August
Decatur

14 Responses to “Get the facts straight”

  1. Yes the Catholic Church has such a outstanding stellar record on pedophile and child sexual abuse. I was also raised Catholic. I guess this person has missed several years of headlines from cities, and states across this land. While any abuse to a child is wrong and made worse when you cover it up and don’t inform the law enforcement officials so that is can continue. While I am sure most local churches are good citizens and have been for many years there are still plenty of skeleton’s in the closets that are hidden in the dark. The Freeh Report, which I have read some of clearly states that the “football program” and it’s associated economics was more important then the abuse of the children. Penn State has paid a huge price and been made a example of how a good program became corrupted and eventually destroyed by it’s own actions and in this case it own inactions. Any place any child abuse take place the first thing that must be done is it needs reported and investigated. We are all responsible for this.

    While Mr Hughes did state “as goes the Catholic Church, so goes Catholic Penn State University” while Penn State is a public funded institution of higher education I would guess it location would include a greater number of Catholics then other denominations and the one’s deeply involved in the scandal are mostly Catholic. The Catholic Church still had laundry to do in this regard while it still may not be local we Catholics still look to Rome for our guidance.

  2. Yes the Catholic Church has such a outstanding stellar record on pedophile and child sexual abuse. I was also raised Catholic. I guess this person has missed several years of headlines from cities, and states across this land. While any abuse to a child is wrong and made worse when you cover it up and don’t inform the law enforcement officials so that is can continue. While I am sure most local churches are good citizens and have been for many years there are still plenty of skeleton’s in the closets that are hidden in the dark. The Freeh Report, which I have read some of clearly states that the “football program” and it’s associated economics was more important then the abuse of the children. Penn State has paid a huge price and been made a example of how a good program became corrupted and eventually destroyed by it’s own actions and in this case it own inactions. Any place any child abuse take place the first thing that must be done is it needs reported and investigated. We are all responsible for this.

    While Mr Hughes did state “as goes the Catholic Church, so goes Catholic Penn State University” while Penn State is a public funded institution of higher education I would guess it location would include a greater number of Catholics then other denominations and the one’s deeply involved in the scandal are mostly Catholic. The Catholic Church still had laundry to do in this regard while it still may not be local we Catholics still look to Rome for our guidance.

  3. Jim Popp says:

    Charles,

    You and Ken BOTH need to get off this trying to combine the Catholic Church situation and the Penn State University situation, as if they are somehow connected. They are the same type of crime, but beyond that, there is no connecting the two. Prove that most involved in this coverup at Penn State were Catholics..please! Making a statement like that is completely irresponsible, to say the least, without absolute proof.

    Now, admittedly, I am not now and was not raised a Catholic as you were. I was however raised in Pennsylvania and lived there until I was 29 yrs old, before moving permanently to Texas 37 yrs ago. I can tell you that the student body and the entire facility at Penn State was then, and is now, made up of people of the Christian faith, the Jewish faith, the Catholic faith, Mennonites, along with quite a few other faiths thrown in. That includes the ENTIRE athletic staff. Oh yeah, I’m sure Joe Paterno was probably a Catholic, since most of my Italian friends up there are Catholic, but certainly not all! You and Ken both need to back off this nonsense and both stop spouting garbage you can’t backup and/or prove because it’s totally false.

    By the way, how would you have any idea that where Penn State University is located would “include a greater number of Catholics then other denominations”. A completely wrong and bogus statement there too since that part of the state is not predominantly Catholic! You know nothing about what you say there Charles.

  4. Really, you might be suprised just how much I know about Pennsylvania and Penn State or State College whatever you want to call it located just south of Interstate 80 in Centre County. Between Pittsburgh and Harrisburg… I could go into a lot more detail but it in the US Census Bureau. Take some time and look it up…. Oh, by the way Centre County has 6 Catholic parishes more churches then any other “single” denomination in the area.

  5. Jim Popp says:

    Charles,

    Yes, The Catholic Church in Centre County may have 6 parishes as you say, but that definitely does not mean it’s a predomnantly Catholic area of the state, because in fact it is not. That’s the trouble with people just reading something rather than knowing the actual facts. In many areas of Pennsylvania the Catholic Church may have a greater number of small parish churches, compared to other denominations, but the number of members of multiple small Catholic Churches may only add up to the number of members in one other denomination’s much larger church. Again I tell you that Penn State University has no more greater percentage of Catholic students than any other college or university. For what it’s worth, many Catholic students in Pennsylvania are lined up to get into Villanova Univ. or where I went to school, LaSalle College, both in the Philadelphia area. If they do go to Penn State, it certainly isn’t for any great Catholic influence in the school, I can assure you, and is purely for personal academic or athletic reasons.

  6. says:

    Blinded by a hatred of Christ and any and all things Christian. Disgraceful that the Messenger allows this page as his own personal editorial. I hardly ever read it anymore, as it has been hijacked by a left wing agenda. Too bad. There are a lot of positive things that this page could be used for.

  7. Ken Hughes says:

    So, I was misinformed and used the bad information. For that I apologize, and being human I am as likely as anyone to make an error. However, that does not excuse either organization for the wanton child abuse practiced by men in either opertion. Be that as it may, for a man of the cloth to act that way is far worse than a coach anywhere. If I was a Catholic I would be looking at the internal operations of the entire myth. Either the Big Guy in the Sky isn’t as powerful and observant as all you folks claim or he doesn’t give a hoot.

  8. says:

    Any child predator, along with anyone who had any knowledge of it should be punished top the fullest extent of the law. Wouldn’t it be interesting to compare the percentage of the “religious” predators to the percentage of the Christian hating, atheist predators who have never darkened a church door and see where the larger problems lie. If the larger percentage of predators are non-Christian (pretty sure they are), then would you, Ken Hughes, come out as vocal against people who DON’T attend church? Also, anyone claiming Christianity that would do such a thing is certainly not acting in the name of Christ. BTW…..the “big guy in the sky” does care. He gave humans free will. Some excercise it better than others. And yes….He IS powerful. One day all will see (Phil 2:10)

  9. Dan August says:

    I agree 100% with your last comment, Robert. I’d just like to add one thought specific to the Catholic church, only because Mr. Hughes insists on using it as a punching bag. All sexual abuse offenses are reprehensible anyone’s definition. But when, Mr. Hughes, are you and others going to stop dragging the Catholic church through the cactus patch every time another case of sexual abuse surfaces? These disgusting crimes stand on their own. The Catholic church had NOTHING to do with the transgressions at Penn State, nor vice-versa. That’s not to ignore the past failures within the Catholic church, but they stand on their own. To imply otherwise makes about as much sense as blaming Bonnie & Clyde anytime there’s a bank robbery.

  10. Jim Popp says:

    Ken,

    IF and that’s a BIG IF, you ever took the time to read The Bible, you would know that Our Lord Has Given man a free will as pointed out by Robert in his post. That simply means man can choose the way of The Lord or another path. He gave us a free will so that at a certain age we would freely choose His Path and Freely choose and love Him.

    The Bible also states that the devil roams back and forth over the earth looking to destroy and devour. He’s looking to destroy and devour men’s souls and much of the ultra liberal agenda that you profess so frequently has only added to and aided his destruction of men’s souls. By that I mean, it is the ultra left, through entities like the ACLU, that continually wants man’s rights expanded to include more and more things like legally expanded pornography regulations and things like that. Being human, and yes, being the sick humans that get heavy into pornography, it’s just like an alcoholic or drug addict. The more or STRONGER booze, drugs, or porn they get, the more and stronger they want in the future, for a “better high”, thus leading some into child porn to satisfy their appetite for their sickness.

    No Ken, it was not The Lord that Allowed this kind of sickness to flourish in our society. But, it was the ultra liberals like you and their free will, given to them by the same Lord, that is assisting the enemy in his quest to devour men’s souls with this kind of sickness.

  11. Ken Hughes says:

    Why is it that almost all of you folks calling me names skip completely over the issue of the letter. Children worldwide who are ignored and allowed to die is the issue while you scream about being disrespected by me; I’ve got news for you, I’m not the only one ointing it out. The mistreatment and abuse of kids by folks claiming to be Christian or mambers of any other mythology make me sick in your ineffective holiness.

  12. Ken Hughes says:

    Popster, you all claim to pray to the big guy in the sky every day and many several times a day, yet child abuse and neglect goes on virtually everywhere and has for as long as human beings have walked the Earth. The point was all the omni-mess and one would think the person praying would get a little message, or a “word of knowledge” as I’ve heard it called to cut that mess out. If it were yours truly at the skyward end of the holy hot line, I would have a less than zero tolerance since I supposedly knew everyone’s thoughts and plans due to my omni what-ever. Get real!!!

    I know a lot of “liberals” and non-religious people, yes even a lot of atheists and not one of those I know, many personally, would ever condone such crap! So typical, conservatives blaming everything bad under the sun on liberals. Republicans claim holiness and are still some of the nastiest, most hypocritical human beings I know.

  13. Jim Popp says:

    Well Ken, at least we can agree on the last paragraph of your last post. I too know several liberals, you included, that would not in any way condone this type of crime or other atrosities going on in the world today against children and humans in general. I’ve got to admit though, you’ve got me in knowing atheists because I don’t think I know any.

    Just because a person claims to be a Christian does not necessarily make them one. I also agree that many claiming to be Christians, OR FROM ANY OTHER FAITH, political affiliation, or ethnic backlground, are involved in this type of atrosity against their fellow humans. THAT’S MY POINT TO YOU because you seem to constantly want to slam us Christians, and Conservatives, for anything and everything wrong. It’s a HUMAN PROBLEM, not a religious affiliation or political affiliation problem!

  14. Once again Ken, you are blaming bad things that happen on the person, or the organization being Christian. God does not control us a puppets, and short of our eternity with Him, we will endure hardships, evil, and moral corruption. No true Christian I know feels they have the market corned on holiness, only on their salvation. You can take any “demographic”, left, right, liberal, conservative, Christian, Baptist, Catholic, you name it. There will be a percentage that do not hold to the teachings and standards of that group, and those that do. To use the bloody stub of your anti Christian rhetoric to beat Christians as a whole over the head with is completely and totally assinine. The claim you say Christians make of being perfect, or being without blame, a is an out and out lie. Your fingers must get tired of pointing at others all the time.

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